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Conclusions

Much is self evident from the results achieved but having said that - there have been some hard-to-explain phenomena both in this test and in test #2 also. I have been thinking on some of these things and present some musings.

First and foremost - results from wetpack testing. Now I have stated before, this method is far from ideal - just a way to obtain some data and not in my view deserving of the label ''definitive'' (
I am thinking of other ways to test expansion). We see some examples of bullet distortion and unequal expansion and yes, this can be due to a tumble factor with some ammo however - I put this to you...

My wet packs are made up of 80% std daily newspaper, but in order to increase thickness (heck, I only get one local paper per day!) ... I add in some of the extra stuff that sometimes comes - advertizing guff for the most part which is smaller in size than the broadsheet local rag. This means that there are internal portions of wetpack that have a change in uniformity - possibly even slight voids, where smaller stuff is sandwiched between large, and presents folded edges etc. I wish I had dozens of phone books!!

I do think it possible that in some instances, a bullet enters the pack but quickly yields to a small change in density or uniformity and so veers off just a little before expanding. Enough perhaps at times to present us with the non symmetrical result we have seen. Contentious? maybe, but worthy of consideration perhaps.


Now .. look at the pic below. This is a recovered Speer bullet .... a 124 grain, with incomplete and asymmetrical expansion. Notice the rifling engraving. It is more pronounced on one side of the bullet than the other .... suggesting it was not fully lined up along its long axis whilst travelling out the barrel - thus suffering an induced tumble effect on exit. I am not sure how this can occur because the diameter of the skirt is 0.355 ... the same as the barrel major diameter (minor dia is 0.352). It should have obturated perfectly.

It does tho look as if this is a candidate for some tumble and thus the lack of symmetrical expansion ... not explainable by my thoughts on wetpack internal density variations. As an experiment - I placed a virgin 115 FMJ bullet in the chamber of the R9 barrel ... tapped it with a hammer via an aluminum rod - and then removed it. The very beginnings of rifling engraving were 100% symetrical and so once the bullet has ''jumped'' it meets totally uniform rifling. It is therefore, for now at least, difficult to see how this has occurred. I hope to find an explanation... (see below this pic)

Unequal rifling pattern

Explanation for the above.(late edit)

I waited prior to releasing this test material in order to check some aspects with Eric and Karl .... after a discussion with Karl it is now quite clear why and how this can happen.

The design of the barrel is such that there is a significant freebore of 0.250" - the reason for which being pressure control. As we all know I think, the 9mm Parabellum round is a high pressure round, even at standard pressures. This small delay before bullet engagement with rifling permits the immediate pressure peak to dissipate to a safer level - sparing the barrel/slide mechanism some extreme trauma. This is both desirable and necessary with the design of such a small gun using this round.

Further to this - it can probably be imagined therefore that not every bullet of every type will engage the rifling with absolute symmetry, per the example above. This then also explains why there are occasions also where a perceptible degree of bullet tumble is seen after exit from the gun.

I have stated elsewhere - this gives me no cause for concern, seeing as the likelhood of long range engagements is remote. It being much more likely that ''things'' would be happening within ten feet or so. At this distance I doubt if an assailant is going to make much complaint if he is hit by a 100% stable bullet - or one which started to tumble a little!



I mentioned my malfunctions .. two FTF's with WWB 147 grain JHP's and one FTE from the WWB 115 JHP (marginal problem ... last shot, case not quite clear of eject port before closure - easy to clear). This raises issues for some people, the fact that anything malfunctions - I would say broadly that, we must regard this miniscule 9mm pocket pistol as a thorobred ... and as such it requires premium feeding. It also requires to be kept clean.


My test session fired off approx 100 rounds total without an interim clean. The WWB failures were early on .. so that was not a crud issue I think .. it was ammo. Conclusion??

NOT ALL ammo suits this gun ..... but we can say I think safely that God Dot in particular, is the fodder of choice. Folks however want (and need) to practice with a carrry piece - understandable. Concommitant with that is a desire to use cheaper ammo - that figures. My suggestion is to use WWB FMJ or similar BUT - expect and ACCEPT the occasional failure .. it is no big deal. This gun is cutting edge .. and the occasional failure during practice is something we need to accept as possible ... in order to keep costs down.

I might add one other thing here .... I have checked a number of factory bullets at random and found many were 0.354" .... 0.355" and 0.356" being much more desirable. Karl has found over a large sample of measurement a frequent two thou tolerance - I can believe it. This in a short barrel with generous freebore can have its effects.



Let me add this final caveat - repeating myself really! The likelehood of this gun being used in a defence situation is, for the most part, something very few of us will experience - I hope! However, the odds are heavily for the fact that any confrontation will be very ''up close - and personal''.

Because of this, I personally find no major problem with the fact that the occasional round seems to have a slight tumble predisposition .... because if say, at seven to ten feet distance a round flies slightly off axis, there is little doubt in my mind that damage will be done!! Reliability is the main concern and as has been proven, though my gun at least - the recommended ammo choice of Speer Gold Dots is the way to go.

All ammo data to date thru R9 is collated on one page if you wish to see all results so far together. Go Here.


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